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23 August 2011 @ 04:03 pm
Borders Class of 2011  
If you belong to that group on Facebook do not even try to make any kind of observation that can be construed as "negative" or you'll really hear about it. I still don't understand why a general comment on the way things work (have worked) at Borders is read as someone being "angry". There was even a post that suggested that this board was the "negative" one and they didn't want to see it go down that path. People should be plenty angry about Borders and all that has transpired there -- it really has nothing to do with negativity.
(Anonymous) on August 23rd, 2011 09:28 pm (UTC)
Hmm, lets see
My favorite thing to watch during our liquidation is how the associates practically trip over themselves trying to please the Hilco guys.

Because you believe yourself to be so much better than the rest of us?

or maybe... Nobody liked you or your fail twitter feed to begin with?
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 01:26 am (UTC)
Borders has been a great job and I'm sure many of us really enjoyed it but 2011 has been nothing but BS.

My store closed before the July but life is so much better now that I'm not wondering if were going to close this round or next round or next week or whatever.

Borders made 2011 a very painful year for most of us.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 02:40 am (UTC)
Everything after Ron Marshall was bad.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 03:00 am (UTC)
This company has been dying a slow death for many years. Ron Marshall just threw a few of the last shovels of dirt in the grave. The "bad" started with Greg "people don't want to buy books online"/"lets dump millions of dollars into SBC" Josefowicz.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 03:38 am (UTC)
Actually, it was Bob DiRoumaldo who famously said, at a GM meeting, "People will never buy anything on the internet."

The company (under Greg J) poured buttloads of money into expanding overseas so the suits could take free trips abroad instead of investing in creating an internet presence and keeping IT up to date (weren't we running Windows 98 until the late 2000s?).
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 12:48 pm (UTC)
"weren't we running Windows 98 until the late 2000s?"

Borders Express stores were running Windows NT4. RiDICulous.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 12:51 pm (UTC)
I hasten to add that was just on the one PC in the store. The registers didn't even run Windows but some late-80s DOS. And required floppy disks. Until 2010.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 06:19 pm (UTC)
Borders trained me on how to be a monkey
LOL. This has truly sucked for someone like me. I actually grew to love my job and then the dark villain (Ron Marshall) entered my view. I am now left with anxiety wondering what exactly am I trained for?? Computers? sure since our store was using outdated crap. An office job? I feel so lost since I'm trained from weird programs no one uses. I hope most of you made it safely on the other side. I feel that now I wasted these years at a job that didn't really train me on ANYTHING. The computers our sup's used were from the early 90's (no joke) and one had that green lettering..truly old school.

Good luck to all of you because it's so dry out there (in terms of jobs)
(Anonymous) on August 31st, 2011 08:38 am (UTC)
Re: Borders trained me on how to be a monkey
you're obviously a monkey if you think some intelligent research and keen job-hunting skills won't get you a job doing SOMETHING. it's not so dry out there now. that's a lot of media hype.
Nichole Pell on August 24th, 2011 08:57 pm (UTC)
HEY person who won't use thier name....SBC was the most profitable part of the store.I know, I ran it.The rest of the store, FYI was on credit.My SBC was all PROFIT.Know what you are talking about, ya putz!
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:35 am (UTC)
Ummm, where do you get YOUR news?
Sorry to report, Arrogancia, but SBC was helping drag Borders through the mud. It only made about 5% of total revenue for BSS, and siphoned a significantly higher percentage of its overhead. So congratulations for helping sink the ship.
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)
Revenue. Profit. Margin. These are three very different things.

While it is true that SBC had insane MARGINS on their products, and did generate PROFIT (before factoring any lease deals and branding rights payments) it did not generate a ton of REVENUE.

My store had a fairly successful cafe, but would only do $600 during the week and maybe $800 on a Saturday.

80% margin on $600 still doesn't compare with 42% margin on $15,000 of book/other product.
(Anonymous) on August 28th, 2011 02:56 am (UTC)
You also have to remember that while the cafe seemed to make a profit, it had little overhead as there was no rent or utilities on its P&L.
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 07:11 am (UTC)
Your coffee blew. And so did your service. I remember you. You were such a bitch to your employees and so anal-retentive that you turned people away. You're worse than Chrissie Lane!
(Anonymous) on August 27th, 2011 11:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry Nicole...
I worked in AA for many years and saw the numbers store by store. SBC was far from the most profitable part of the store. Maybe it looked that way if you did not dig to deep. Once you pull back the top layers, those "businesses" in most locations were a $$$ drag on the bottom line. SBC was one of the worst contracts that Borders ever signed. After factoring in ALL the fees and associated charges Borders lost money with SBC. So before you call anyone a "putz" you need to do your research to "know what you are talking about..." The business in the cafe went far deeper than the numbers you saw in the field.

We did not tell the cafe supervisors everything but the smart ones asked questions.
(Anonymous) on September 2nd, 2011 03:56 am (UTC)
Re: Sorry Nicole...
We did not tell the cafe supervisors everything but the smart ones asked questions.

Didn't matter how many questions we asked we weren't allowed to see the whole picture. Common sense says if your sales volume is about the same as a payroll cost estimate, the cafe is not profitable. The cafe can only sell to however many customers the Borders name drew in.

This is all water (coffee) under the bridge anyway. Shoulda, woulda coulda....
(Anonymous) on August 28th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC)
Cost Analysis
What was the cost analysis for your SBC? How much revenue was being brought in per square ft? How much net profit per square ft? Those
are the real measures of how much SBC was succeeding vs the store.

Now figure in the extra labor time to clean the cafe of the tons of materials left in it. Especially if those items are just being transferred to the book sellers for reshelf (your impacting a different cost center/object).

Unless you can answer those questions, you are not certain if you cafe was really profitable or just seemed that way.
(Anonymous) on August 27th, 2011 03:13 am (UTC)
Only 2011?
Are you kidding me? I was working at Borders in 2005 and that was hell. Your ignorance astounds me. No wonder you are still on the sinking ship when it's mere seconds away from being completely submerged.

Tell me, how many people did you fuck over during your tenure at Borders? I would normally feel sad for anyone stuck at a job whose company is going out of business. However, since I know the kind of people still working at Borders. I have no problem making an exception.
(Anonymous) on August 27th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?
So you had a bad experience in 2005. Boo Hoo

You left so why should you even care what happened since.

You are the ignorant one. How would you have any idea what people have been like since you left? Did you have contact with every single person that has worked at Borders since your Boo Hoo time. The answer would be no.

If you are going to make statements you damn well better be able to back them up. You can't so you let your ignorant arrogance do it for you.

The only one kidding anyone is you kidding yourself. Next time try to use your brain a little.
(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2011 09:50 am (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?
Wow! Are you THAT stupid to think I was talking about one incident that happened six years ago? To give you a slight benefit of doubt, I think you are being obtuse. Of course, it's not one experience. It was years of negative experiences working at Borders starting in 2005 when I was first hired. Mercifully, it ended in early 2010. I still know good people working at Borders. That is why I'm checking out this site.

My experience tells me you are one of those "Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil" sycophants that fucked over decent, hard-working co-workers who saw through your bullshit.

Before I ignore rest of your trollish response, I have one question to ask you. How long can you tread water?
(Anonymous) on August 31st, 2011 08:49 am (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?
I know exactly who you are, and you're obviously still the same self-righteous, bitter, burned-out loser you were when i knew you, and YOU'RE treading water with your outlook and attitude. Try ingratiating yourself to your next boss or client or whomever with your obvious lack of charm, grace, and dignity. Take your pity-party-for-one elsewhere, silly ingrate. You're a retail lifer with a sub-average IQ and no marketable transferable skills...accept your lot in life and be happy.
(Anonymous) on September 1st, 2011 06:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?
LOL bitch I see you holding on to your retail life as I sit back in my office. I'm enjoying the view now baby. You washed out whore.
(Anonymous) on September 2nd, 2011 03:12 am (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?
oh please, i don't believe that for a second. You're just sitting in your crummy hovel of an apartment, watching porn all day, collecting unemployment you don't deserve since you were a rotten employee. you should be taken out back and shot.
(Anonymous) on September 2nd, 2011 01:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?--dumb sluts of Borders
LOL I love how idiots like you "think" they know who anonymous is. Hey RETARD there were over 19,000 employee's working at Borders. In your parnoid little head you sit in your loser mother's house and think it's some person, who probably doesn't give two shits about you, and comment to some post like an insane loser.

I can tell you if it's the person from my former store: If i see you on the street, I'm going to KICK your sorry little ass. Even so, I think it's fucking hilarious you lost yoru job, either way. You sack of shit--low life punk.
You sound like your insane---just for the record. go get help. LOSER
(Anonymous) on September 19th, 2011 09:12 am (UTC)
Re: Only 2011?--dumb sluts of Borders
Do you have a split personality disorder? First you call out people who think they know who "anonymous" is, then in the second paragraph threaten someone who may or may not have wrote that post.

Just check yourself in a mental hospital before you hurt yourself or anyone else.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 05:26 am (UTC)
I can't even read that facebook page since I'm not signing up for facebook.

Borders sucked for many years. All that they stood for they were already abandoning by 2001.

It's retail. It's corporate America. You're either expanding or you're dying. I'm looking forward to the death of the whole damn thing.

All I need is some seeds and my guns.
(Anonymous) on August 24th, 2011 04:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I set the Facebook so that it would indicate that I declined to join that particular group should there be further attempts to enroll me. I have opinions the way you have, but it just isn't worth it to me to risk upsetting persons by expressing them. The sad truth is that Borders was anything but a triumph ... so I count myself out.
There was kind of a problem with chauvinism at Borders. I think that it really started with the application process, where there wasn't very much transparency. The tie or connection to the employer takes shape in a manner that is more to do with things like emotion than with the workplace's more Weberian dimensions. Booksellers in America don't have bona fides the way they do in a land like Germany: the ABA is a joke.
So people who were working at Borders fell into the habit of speaking for one and all.
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:39 am (UTC)
Well stated arguments, but...
I reiterate, the only positive thing Borders has precipitated is to bring people together under the same roof to discuss books and to foster friendships between employees. All the rest is BS. Good rule of thumb: don't count your curses before they're blessed.
KanojoNoCarrera on August 24th, 2011 05:57 pm (UTC)
I'm not on Facebook for privacy reasons. Plus i'm only on Twitter because I can bypass logging into many sites.
exborders on August 24th, 2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
Borders Class of 2011
The thing that puzzles ME is that although there are supposedly now +7600 members of the group, there seem to be only a handful of people posting!( Which, oddly enough is one of the "negatives" they cited about this site.)
Also, I checked in yesterday, and found a posting that began: "I've never worked at Borders, but I've been a long-time customer ..."
Oh, well.

(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:41 am (UTC)
Re: Borders Class of 2011
Well, there are DMs, GMs, RMs, and Ann Arbor Corporate-types posting on that site, as well as hourly workers, and I think many of the latter might be apprehensive unloading themselves on their for fear of managers seeing it.
exborders on August 25th, 2011 05:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Borders Class of 2011
Good point.
You are right ... I recognize several of the multi-posters as GMs & AA people. I hadn't taken the possible "fear factor" into consideration.
Still doesn't explain the "customer" post though!;-)
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:45 am (UTC)
You know Borders went bye bye. You can keep posting here and bitching or you can do it on Facebook with all the many people who worked for them. Bad mouthing the new group is baseless. They bitch as much as you all do here so join the group. You are any more special than everyone else.
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 12:46 am (UTC)
arn't any more special....sorry
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC)
borders hiring temp
i was just curious how do we apply for the temporary positions at borders?
(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2011 07:39 am (UTC)
Re: borders hiring temp
you can't be serious.